Hello all, I’m new to the forum and a club 6mm ppc shooter. I have loaded BL-C(2) in both my .30-06 and my .308 but have not used Winchester 748. H4350 goes for $32.99 CDN,/pd while Win 760 is $26.99/pd. I'm having good results with Winchester 748, both in accuracy and velocity consistency. Should be a very accurate load. It is a great all year round powder. 748 is very dirty powder, and temperature sensitive. I stopped using it along with WW760 (H414), & WW785. 7 102 IMR Co IMR 4320 3 Accurate Arms Nitro 100 53 Alliant Pro Reach 103 Winchester 748 4 Alliant e3 54 Hodgdon LONGSHOT 104 Hodgdon BL-C(2) 5 Hodgdon TITEWAD 55 Alliant 410 105 Hodgdon CFE 223 I also tried to keep my ammo … What gives? If you are trying to push the ragged edge of pressure hot and cold weather loads will need to be made. I currently use H4350 in my 30.06, with 180 gr bullets, but the price of 760 keeps making me want to try it. tayous1 Replies: 0 Views: 59 1/14/2021 1:13 AM Talk to me about the sizing die? #2325684 - 11/07/12 11:55 PM Winchester 748! Personally neither of these powders have ever given me a problem. drummer007: 6.5 stabal was designed for the 6.5 creedmoor a lot of Ar competitors use to use 748 … ... People use newer powders because they often are less temperature sensitive or have additives that lower copper build up like CFE223. Winchester 748 was accurate and clean burning in my 16” 6.5 Grendel. Temp difference of upwards of 90 degrees. My question involves Winchester 748 and 6mm ppc. I've ran W 748 in the 338/06 with 250 grainers ... but I've found it to be very temperature sensitive. Use WLR or Federal 210 primers ONLY with this stuff! It is ideal for a wide variety of centerfire rifle loads, including 222 Remington, 30-30 Winchester, 308 Winchester, and up to 485 Winchester Magnum. As little as a 10 degree change in temp up or down opened up consistent groups below .5" @100 to over 1.5 inches @ 100 on several outings. In the article “Secrets of the Houston Warehouse” which seems to be extremely influential, the best groups they got with 6ppc was with W748. I then repeated the test using the same targets.Total test took about 1 hour. hanker71. They are more sensitive easier to seat. Winchester 748 /wp-content/uploads/2017/12/winchester-logo-redv2.png, https://winchesterpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/748_1lb.jpg. It is rumored to be temperature sensitive, so that’s one thing to consider/ confirm. Temperature when I worked up the load was 38 … The low flame temperature extends barrel life compared to other similar speed powder. 3.225" Starting Load 52.0gr. According to the Hodgdon data site, I am 1.5 grains under the max load for this powder/bullet combination as well as .055 longer on OAL. Only thing is don't work up maximum loads in cool temperatures and shoot the same load in hot summertime. My testing from 20F to 85F has clearly favored the Hodgdon powders as to temperature stability with my various rifles/loads. Hornady SX bullets. I use WIN 748 for 5.56, 7.62, .30-30 and .30-06 with no issues. Tac is the only ball powder I've used that wasn't very temp sensitive - only for .223-5.56 on a progressive otherwise it's Varget/Benchmark for.223 , and straight varget for .35 rem and 308. Maintain stability in extremes of temperature and humidity; Winchester's non-corrosive, all-weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. ... WW748 can be temperature sensitive, especially in hot weather - watch storage conditions and sun heating. Squeeze The Winchester 760 has ideal flow characteristics and is not sensitive to temperature. I noticed I could load 748 in my 223 & 308 so I bought a pound of it and was wanting some input on the powder. The powder I have is winchester 748 and I have read that it can be temperature sensitive. Is it sensitive? 748 is the powder of choice for 223 Remington ammunition. ... Winchester 748 0.366" C.O.L. Ammo Deals: Winchester 748 Smokeless Powder, 4lb (4 Units) $93.96 FREE S&H CODE Ammoland Inc. Posted on December 10, 2020 January 5, 2021 by F Riehl, Editor in Chief That group is very nice!! W748 will be just fine for what you are looking for. I tended to reduce my loads almost 10% for this reason. I went to the loading data in the Lyman book and for the 150 grain jacketed XLC bullet in a .30-06 round it shows a starting charge of 48.5 gr for the BL-C(2) which yields a … That's a bummer about the heat sensitive since its starting to warm up. trends and tips from the leader in reloading. Loads fired in the cold of winter will be noticeably hotter in the summer months. How temperature sensitive is it?? It shoots great, I do most of my hunting in sub zero weather I just don't want the groups opening up or the zero changing. Winchester 748 is a ball powder and the choice for loading 223 Remington cartridges. The Win 760 smokeless ball powder is a spherical powder with a very consistent and reliable burn rate. All powders have a tendency to get more 'explosive' in hot weather and especially if they are left in the direct sun or in a hot vehicle... 748 will keep you happy year 'round. Cordite, which was the common propellant at the time Rigby designed the case, was extremely sensitive to pressure fluctuations brought on by a change in temperature. What are it's advantages/disadvantages?? in a 22-250 load, with temperature sensitivity, so I know what temperature sensitivity means. The low flame temperature of 748 extends barrel life versus other similar speed powders. A medium speed propellant, 748's lower flame temperature extends barrel life when compared to similar speed powders. The max load for 748 with 140 grain bullets is 43.6 @2900 fps out of a 26" barrel. The low flame temperature of 748 extends barrel life compared to other similar speed powders. Burning rate is similar to 4064, Varget or RL-15, but more temperature sensitive. What's your most accurate .308 / 7.62 x 51 load using Winchester 748? of W-748 and 50 gr. I realize this is not exactly apples to apples, but I have. Thank you for sharing Hodgdon Reloading data. Not the best choice in .30-'06, as it doesn't tolerate more than 10% airspace. Case volume appears to be the same as Winchester or Federal brass. This is my second 223 reload test, weather was cold, windy and wet at times. But I don’t see anyone using it. In common hunting cartridges used to hunt big game within 400 yards or so, such as the .270 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield, extreme temperatures don't have enough effect, even on temperature-sensitive gunpowders, to cause you to miss a deer. Scoobysmak Replies: 1 Views: 116 1/13/2021 11:38 PM Derek45 223 case trim question. Yes Win 748 works very well for heavy weight .223 bullets. Many new powders are … It is almost ideal for .308 Winchester and .30-30. Green = IMR Enduron Powders Red = Winchester Powders 1 Norma R1 51 Alliant Blue Dot 101 HodgdonVARGET 2 Vihta Vuori N310 52 Accurate Arms No. Winchester StaBALL 6.5 – Temperature sensitivity test Today we have a look at StaBALL 6.5, a new powder from Winchester. The low-flame temperature extends barrel life compared to other similar speed powder. It is somewhat temperature sensitive and maybe just a little more sensitive than some other powders in .223 . My preferred powders where temperature variation … And it ran them out at 3450 fps. I'd stay away from 748 myself, Reloader 15 @39.6 grains is what I would use. ... Watch out for the 748 it is pretty temperature sensitive and a load that is close to max but showing no real pressure signs on a just above freezing winter match day will be way to hot on hot summer day. I hear varget is very good but seems to be dried up in my area so I got the 748 and going to give it a try. My Tikka is really shooting great using winchester 748. Thanks I just loaded up some more I am one grain below maximuim. Winchester 748 is a ball powder and the choice for loading 223 Remington cartridges. Where I hunt the temperature could be in the 50's or way below zero. It is very cold right now where I am, and I will probably shoot a lot in summer when it is very hot. Best used in cases where you can fill them up. YMMV RWJ. Mike Well it’s a double based ball powder so it’s going to be more temperature sensitive! tayous1. 748 is the powder of choice for 223 Remington ammunition. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. To you concern, about groups opening up in cold weather, I have not seen that in this 308 Win load. It can be used in a wide variety of centerfire rifle loads including 222 Rem, 30 … It shoots great now (60 degrees) can I expect the same groups when it gets cold out. So is there any load data for Winchester Super handicap for handguns or rifle? How about your most accurate Winchester 748 load in the .223 / 5.56 x 45? It is temperature sensitive. It is also ideal for a wide variety of centerfire rifle loads, including 222 Remington, 30-30 Winchester, 30 Winchester, and up to 458 Winchester Magnum. I've shot group's with a 223 & 748 in temp's of 12 degree's..to..90 degree's. The ammo is/was mostly 1919 fodder and performed just fine. Only problem: thats a case full, and I cannot load them on the Dillon; it spills powder all over. Keep up-to-date on new products, ammunition. I never shoot it when it is hot I start shooting about now on a frequent basis it doesnt get that hot here this time of year. Scoobysmak. It also shoots H335 good but not as good very close though. 748 748 is the powder of choice by Winchester and the U.S. military for 5.56mm and 223 Rem. It provides for a great velocity with the trusted performance of Winchester. 748 is more temp sensitive than h335. Temperatures ran from -20, fox hunting, to over 100 in dog towns, w/o any problems. Both will work at low temps and high temps. It’s not like they (Virgil and the shooters at the warehouse) didn’t have n133 or h322. Its main selling point is that it's supposed to be insensitive to temperature swings, so testing that is the topic of this video. 748 is cleaner than h335. W-748 has not shown me that sharp of rise in pressure, with a rise in temperature, over the temperature ranges I have shot W-748 loads over. It is said that this reloading powder is ideal for home reloads due to ease of use. I wore out one .223, shooting 28.3 gr. As mentioned above don't let your rounds bake in the sun. In order to be effective in the tropical heat of India and Africa, Rigby over-designed the case size, to keep the pressures low in the extreme heat, for reliable extraction in a dangerous game situation. The powder of choice for 223 Remington ammunition, 748 is ideal for a wide range of centerfire rifle loads, including 222 Remington, 30-30 Winchester, 30 Winchester, and up to 485 Winchester Magnum. all powders are temp sensative, ball powders more so than extruded, all winchester powder is ball powder. My results are quite similar between the Hodgdon, Alliant, and IMR powders. The low-flame temperature extends barrel life compared to other similar speed powder. 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