However, it does seem likely that with the probe droids all over the place, Vader is going to have a pretty good idea of how many bodies are there, and will be able to compare that to the manifest of known passengers aboard the ship. Follow Eric Foley Online on WordPress.com. And just for the heck of it, I say Luke Skywalker finishes Ahsoka's training LOL! Vader- Even if you destroy me, My Master will come looking for you! If the saber had been aboard the ship, there’s no way it would still light up promptly when Vader hits the switch. Anakin- I'll use whatever I want! Why didn't Palpatine kill Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith? As it turns out, Ahsoka did indeed survive the duel against Vader on Malachor, but it wasn't because she somehow managed to outfight him. He knows it’s hers, because he made it himself, so this part of the logic follows swiftly. I think Vader knows Ahsoka’s body is not here in this wreckage, nor was it buried beneath the saber. Comment. The Emperor was a … Based on ROTJ, Obi-Wan considered Anakin to be dead. ( Log Out /  Ezra was obviously thrilled to see her after spending a couple of years believing her gone, but Ahsoka refused to leave the Jedi temple with Ezra and join the fight on Lothal. While it’s true Maul wouldn’t have reported back to the Empire, either, none of the other evidence in front of Vader fits the pattern of what Maul would do. A clone or other officer who had the saber wouldn’t leave it, and would’ve most likely checked back in with the Empire after leaving. Member. So this theory is simply implausible. Maul wouldn’t leave it either, and while he wouldn’t have reported to the Empire, he also wouldn’t have buried the clones. Next inference: he knows whoever it was, never reported back to the Empire after the Purge. The entrance via the painting wasn't just a different way into the temple Ezra had visited before; it was a portal to a pathway between all of time and space. User account menu. So, while Vader doesn’t necessarily know for sure who left this here, he likely knows that they left this place rather than staying here. Indeed, that’s exactly what he actually did. Ezra did what he could to remove the Sith holocron as Ahsoka fought Vader alone. The fact that Jesse’s helmet was near front and center, in fact, identifies that whoever did this took a great deal of comradery with the fallen troops. It's a fairly major plot point that he didn't want Luke to know that Vader was his father. Ahsoka definitely would’ve come back to bury the bodies. 0. However, I see two big cons with this: a clone trooper likely would have kept the saber as a souvenir if he was of a mind to take it in the first place, and a (presumably loyal) clone trooper also would’ve reported back to the Empire. Apr 22, 2019 - This Pin was discovered by OzneFanPage. Ahsoka lives. Don't be a dolt. Wiki entries on this speculate that, at the moment he walks away, he’s already concluded that Ahsoka is dead and that there’s nothing more to be found here. Namely, Sidious. And not just because he sees Morai — that’s the easy way to interpret it if you want to believe he knows, but I think that even if he has no idea what Morai’s presence represents, it’s still a matter of simple deduction. Presumably, Vader also knows that Maul was on this ship, and by similar process of searching, also knows that Maul’s body is also not here. Clearly there is more story for both Ahsoka and Darth Vader … The only person on the ship who checks all these boxes is Ahsoka herself. Anyway, that's my theory. Darth Vader needed this to extinguish Anakin forever. Thread starter JB1981; Start date Sep 20, 2019; Forums. Ever since, fans have wondered if she did die and that was her Force spirit, if Ahsoka didn't die and she was just going down into the Sith temple for another reason, or if her ambiguous fate was showrunner Dave Filoni's way of saying goodbye to a major character who never appeared in the original trilogy. My brief thoughts on why I believe ahsoka survived the collapse.I really believe Vader spaired her, or maybe even saved her.Well have to find out in season 3! He did find the right portal, but Ahsoka managed to convince him not to reach through and save his master, as saving Kanan would have meant unleashing an explosion on Ezra and Co. and killing them. Vader called out to her, and she called back out to Anakin, stating that she will not leave him this time. Someone buried those troops, and given the significance of the crash site and the fact that no one appears to have scavenged it since, it seems obvious that it was someone who was aboard the ship. His heart grew weary at the thought. We’ve seen all manner of instances in these series of lightsabers being broken or destroyed. Prev. But why did he give up? (ROTJ Screenplay) You father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. That said, Ahsoka does not appear in the original film trilogy or any of the currently available canon material past the original trilogy era, so it's possible that she either never returns to the main action or she stays under the radar from the main players once she does come back. If the lightsaber had gone down in the crash, it wouldn’t be functional. Vader- She cannot save you now! For another thing, the gigantic Force-sensitive white wolf named "Dume" is not Kanan as a wolf, as some fans theorized. I’m going to just stipulate that the probe droids we see in that scene are at least that good at determining where any human bodies in the area have been buried. While it’s possible that some bodies might have been cast loose from the wreckage and burned up in reentry, or been discarded in space, he knows that at minimum, the corpse of neither a Dathomirian (i.e. Ezra found a way to enter the Jedi temple on Lothal through a painting of the Mortis family, and he discovered himself in a world between worlds. Registered: Mar 11, 2013. If he’d somehow gotten off the ship, he would’ve left and never looked back. #StarWars #Rebels #StarWarsRebels #Ahsoka #AshleyEckstein @heruniverse #Anakin #MattLanter @MattLanter #whydidyouleaveme Instead, now that Kanan is part of the cosmic Force, his will could remain at work in the form of the wolf, even if he could not return himself. Has The Mandalorian Been Hiding A Star Wars Rebels Character In Plain Sight? Maul took the saber in order to get loose, and left it here after his escape. Like all Jedi of her era, sh… ( Log Out /  Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Deep down I always think Vader told Luke he was his father was jsut … Vader was conflicted since he didn't want to kill his sun but Vader has been conflicted before by far less and still killed or beaten opponents. He knows that this was Ahsoka’s ship, and that these were Ahsoka’s clone troopers. And it’s possible that he might well anticipate that she’d be grieving enough to leave the saber behind. Ahsoka is the most likely suspect. Anakin needed to be shown this, so he would let go. We know that because it was Rex and Ahsoka, who obviously went underground after the wreck. Dooku did not intend to kill Anakin. Instead, she went back through the portal to Malachor and descended down into the Sith temple, just as we saw at the end of the Season 2 finale. The final episodes of Star Wars Rebels air on Monday, March 5 on Disney XD starting at 8:30 p.m. Resident of One Chicago, Bachelor Nation, and Cleveland. We don’t know how Ahsoka came to be part of the Rebellion; we know that, according to Dave Filoni, she isn’t a part of its leadership. I've already proved that Ahsoka had a Style advantage against Vader which was why she lasted as long as she did, and still was getting owned and wrecked by Vader who can dominate her with the force. This one is more speculative: Vader’s Force senses have been shown in other mediums to be extremely potent, even after his crippling. That is why she needs to sacrifice herself against Vader. Star Wars: A New Hope introduced the world to a galaxy far, far away and to the main characters of the Star Wars universe, … So from his perspective? Discover (and save!) No, this was not just for Darth Vader…this was for Anakin Skywalker, as well. Another clone trooper would be quite prone to coming back if he’d managed to survive, in order to pay his respects to his comrades. Armed with this knowledge, Ezra decided that Kanan/Dume had sent him to the temple to prevent his death, and he raced to find the portal that would take him to Kanan's final moments. ( Log Out /  By Thomas Bacon Sep 27, 2020. Sabine got the lowdown on the portal from outside while Ezra explored the reality within. These are all degrees of force that are vastly lower than that which would be brought to bear by being aboard a late Republic era Star Destroyer that is somehow brought out of hyperspace and takes a free fall crash onto a planet. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. At minimum, Vader knows that whoever survived to perform this burial and dropped the saber, didn’t do so. He probably can’t triangulate an exact crash time, but there probably is enough forensic data here to be able to tell that the ship has been here since around that same time. While this is all fanciful, I don’t agree with basically anyone but Filoni here. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. However — and this is the first key point that wasn’t obvious — he knows someone survived, came back to the wreckage, and buried the troops who died in the crash. Obi-Wan Kenobi was killed in the first Star Wars film during a duel against his former apprentice, Darth Vader. Even a clone trooper that wasn’t loyal, perhaps having joined Ahsoka in a mutiny, would have still likely taken the saber as a memorial. your own Pins on Pinterest She’s the only one who would’ve had the saber, might’ve caused enough trouble amidst Order 66 to cause the ship to crash, still would’ve come back out of any sense of loyalty to the clones to bury them after she survived, wouldn’t report back to the Empire after surviving, and might leave the saber here. In the next scene, the season ending, Vader was seen … It all comes down to this moment here: Hmmm… there’s information here. In fact, there’s even a post one may find on the Googles that posits that, having concluded that Ahsoka is gone, this is the moment when Anakin Skywalker truly becomes the fully hateful Darth Vader, when he realizes that his last positive connection to another Jedi is gone. Ahsoka absolutely couldn’t believe his former master would turn like this, and fought Maul instead of joining him. However, there’s a lot of other meaning in this scene that seems to be glossed over. Ezra learned a valuable lesson about the importance of allowing and even embracing difficult moments, and Ahsoka helped him come to his conclusion. Whoever controls the portal has access to a conduit that would allow influence on past, present, and future events. Vader himself cuts Ezra’s in half in “Rebels.” Maul’s is cut into two pieces, one still working, by Kenobi in “Phantom Menace.” The various Inquisitors lose theirs in all sorts of ways in “Rebels” as well. Say that Vader, through some unlikely chance, manages to capture Ahsoka alive. The final shot of the series is, in fact, one of the clones’ helmets still painted with the likeness of her facial markings and complexion from the end of the Clone Wars, before Order 66 went down, with Vader’s retreating frame reflected in the visor. However, in both cases, the story proved a dark, melancholic tale that put Ahsoka dangerously close to the Dark Side that had overtaken the galaxy. ( Log Out /  In Twilight of the Apprentice, Ahsoka's surprise attack slashed open Vader's mask. For a moment, Vader's eyes appeared to show hesitation before finally hardening back and returning to his Vader persona, determined to push forward and kill Ahsoka. Given its proximity to the bodies, it seems very likely that it was the same person who buried them. Why does he know that? We know she did, in fact do so, but Vader almost certainly understands her well enough to know that she would have done so. And, in fact, given that he knows the ship did, in fact crash, that Ahsoka herself caused the crash is the most likely explanation. Did Ahsoka Tano Die on Malachor? Unfortunately, Ezra didn't know any of this. There’s no way that happened by accidental debris dispersal. He gets to dictate the canon, but I think Vader knows Ahsoka is alive. Master Cado Afu, Nov 19, 2020 #655. bstnsx704 Jedi Master. Theory 2 doesn’t really hold water at all. Given that the Emperor was dead set on gaining access himself, it was imperative that Ezra find a way to close the portal. Free me Ahsoka! Someone who survived the crash had it, and left it here deliberately. Thoughts, anyone? No one knows Ahsoka that well, so she's sûr, sans danger from Darth Vader, (he think's Ahsoka is dead). Anakin Skywalker was clinging to the light as Darth Vader was pulling him farther and farther to the dark. Log In Sign Up. Go. Then what? It was a new reaction to a painful memory. Years later, Ahsoka is involved with the Rebels and has a vision of Anakin Skywalker through the Force, when he taunts her about abandoning him and that being a factor in his journey to what he had become. Star Wars: Why Obi-Wan Let Darth Vader Kill Him In A New Hope. There have even been a few Photoshops done of this image to blow up the color contrast to indicate that Vader’s eyes beneath the mask weren’t their usual Sith yellow while he was contemplating Anakin’s former apprentice’s fate, suggesting that he was not actually regarding this from a position of his usual hatred: I’ve seen other write-ups on this scene, and many of them focus on what the man beneath the mask was feeling in this moment. Vader can’t possibly miss the significance of the painted helmet. Well, "A World Between Worlds" resolved the mystery, and not in a way that anybody saw coming. Share Share Tweet Email. Who knows? We know that any such search would turn up nothing, because we know that Ahsoka and Rex left. 9. Maul shared that Anakin was healed by Sidious to become his next apprentice and destroy the Jedi. First Prev 2 of 3 Go to page. Oct 25, 2017 8,241 New York. Darth Vader's betrayal was the only way Palpatine could possibly lose in Return of the Jedi. It’s also at least somewhat possible that he knows Morai’s presence means something, but he may not entirely understand what. Moreover, Maul doesn’t give two wits about the troopers, and certainly wouldn’t have come back to bury them. EtcetEra Forum . He knows that at this point, neither him nor anyone else can defy … Feel free to discuss in the comments! You can see him looking at the wreckage searchingly. Will not time travel. 1; 2; 3; Next. Kill him! Emperor Palpatine's trap in Return of the Jedi was targeted at Luke Skywalker - and Darth Vader's redemption was the only way he could lose. By Adrienne Tyler Aug 03, 2020. He wouldn’t necessarily know that Maul was the one who ripped the hyperdrive to shreds, and given Maul’s known state of imprisonment when the ship left Mandalore, Vader might also not anticipate that Ahsoka would deliberately release him to cause all this. Jul 1, 2016 - Ahsoka, why did you leave me? Now… maybe we can’t know what he actually finds, but I think it’s at least not insane to think that if Ahsoka had died here, he would be able to feel that. For one thing, the convor is a friend of Ahsoka's (and probably connected to the Daughter), which is why she was always around Ahsoka and helped Ezra find the correct portal to save her. Did Yoda and Obi-Wan want Luke to kill Vader? End of Clone Wars: Did Vader know Ahsoka was alive? So, as I see it, here are the possible theories that would present themselves to Vader in this moment, as a Sith enforcer seeking to super-sleuth down whether his old Padawan walked away from this: Theory 1 would explain why the other clone troops were buried here. Ezra saved her by reaching back in time and yanking her to safety before Vader could strike a killing blow. Given that Vader survived the encounter and nobody ever heard from Ahsoka after the episode, the logical conclusion was that Ahsoka perished in the battle... if not for one last shot that seemed to show Ahsoka descending down into the Sith temple on Malachor. Dave Filoni has indicated that he’s here to hunt, he’s not here to reminisce or get nostalgic. Well, "A World Between Worlds" resolved the mystery, and not in a way that anybody saw coming. Maul might’ve taken the saber, but if he needed it as a weapon, he certainly wouldn’t have chosen to leave it behind on purpose. He gets to dictate the canon, but I think Vader knows Ahsoka is alive. Change ). For the shows you can watch after Rebels comes to an end, take a look at our midseason TV premiere guide and 2018 Netflix premiere schedule. She obviously doesn't come back to the rebellion in that span of time since a return would disrupt the timeline, but she could return to the action later on. Presumably, they also would be combing the rest of the moon the ship crashed on, either for life signs, or for any indication that whoever survived the wreck had gone to ground here on this moon, and either was still alive here or died. Now here’s the slightly speculative parts, but I think they all follow from inference. Vader wondered if this was how Obi-Wan had felt when they fought on Mustafar. Yes, really. Comment. Which means that somebody survived the crash, had the saber with them when they did so, and left it here on purpose. In fact, there’s no real reason for him to believe it could have been anyone else. Vader then turns to leave the scene, much as Ahsoka did some time earlier. Like lying about killing his son? He knows that Ahsoka cannot be "broken" and turned towards the dark side. Now, I was admittedly on board the "Of course Ahsoka is dead!" Vader's ruthlessness and lack of compassion for his former best friend, his former apprentice, the cold hearted statement " Then you … Press J to jump to the feed. Discussion. He can probably guess that one or the other of them was responsible for the ship’s crash, but he doesn’t necessarily know which one. Vader finds Ahsoka’s lightsaber. Here's why the Grand Inquisitor killed himself in Star Wars Rebels.The Disney XD series was Lucasfilm's second animated series following Star Wars: The Clone Wars.It introduced fans to a new band of freedom fighters who has a small operation but has a … It was perched over a portal and seemed to want Ezra to do something with what was happening on the other side. Maybe she'll pop up in the new Star Wars series or even the third installment of the sequel trilogy. Thirty-three years before the Battle of Yavin, Ahsoka Tano was discovered by Jedi Master Plo Koon among her people on the planet Shili at the age of three and accepted into the Jedi Order. Don't forget to take a look at our rundown of ways Star Wars Rebels set up the events of Rogue One and our list of ways the latest episodes set the stage for the series finale. 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