This one seems to have finally got that moog sound back. The Subsequent 37 is already shipping from the Moog Factory and currently available through Moog Dealers worldwide for $1499. I had to save up a few extra bucks, but it sure is nice to patch my systems without an external box. I’m done with Moog until they decide to actually evolve as a company and do something revolutionary in the spirit of Bob Moog. Good decision to make CV standard for an extra price bump. Moog describes the Subsequent 37 as ‘The New Standard’ – which positions the new monosynth as not just a replacement for the Sub 37, but as a replacement for the company’s discontinued Minimoog line. The Moog Subsequent 37 is the most straightforward of them, offering up the classic Moog analog architecture, with basic routing and modulation options. I’m happy, the company’s still afloat, improving their great sounding products at a competitive price point. APD Offer: 75% Off Infinity Annual Mastering Services P... Tierra Audio Flavours Preamps - AUDIO DEMOS NOW ONLINE. Hey Moog, please explain why every Minimoog in the Voueger line is discontinued, and why your still banking on the modular synths that no one can afford or have the space? I hardly ever use drive or clipping when i design patches. Rear Little more than a year since the arrival of the 25 key Sub Phatty, Moog has released its successor, the Sub 37. Leveraging the mixer’s newfound flexibility, the gain-staging of the Ladder filter has been reshaped to boost harmonic saturation and analogue compression, resulting in an overall richer low end, claim Moog. And few take a notice of it – as long as it sounds good. I own a Sub 37 since a year now and i never really got warm with it. . This is my first Moog synth and I love it. Kinda deceptive wording from the marketing dept at the time then. And since the headroom of the mixer is up there..Great space to mix these 5 oscs + noise and sub osc. I absolutely love Dreadbox though. Probably because people complained. At least they’re back in that sweet spot now. It’s STILL a great combo of features, quality build and good sound. The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds on the award-winning design of the Sub 37 Tribute Edition. I'm not surprised, it's a confusing product line, but I'll attempt to clarify it as we go along. Well you can’t just have a “tribute” edition. The original Sub37 is an amazing piece of hardware. Each of the enhancements found in the SUBSEQUENT 37 maintains the magic and character of its predecessor while also providing access to new dimensions of sound and improved playability. SUBZERO // Moog Sub 37 Presets. The Sub 37 is a brilliant instrument with a beautiful sound and you’re lucky to be able to afford something that many of us can only dream of. Moog has revealed its new Subsequent 37 synthesizer. I think moog is losing it. I love Moog as a company, but I think they are using up their goodwill due to lack of creativity. Moog is preparing us for the future. Well with everyone thinking about selling their Sub 37s, soon you might just be able to afford one too…. But now I’m a little pissed. A improved keybed would have been nice for the SubPhatty. The synthesizer has an analog signal path and digital modulators. With that logic we would still be driving Corvairs and Pintos (if we had not yet burned to death in a fiery crash). Or perhaps the Successional 37 CV Pro Turbo. Done for below 2k. What a pity! I’m glad they did this. Its control panel is home to 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound-design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. I hope they survive. Is the Sub 37 to Subsequent 37 upgrade still available? Could not get the same sound from the 37. NAMM 2021: PreSonus release Analog Effects... 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Here’s a summary of the features and differences of the two Subsequent synths: Moog shared this video intro, featuring Moog Chief Engineer Cyril Lance and Snarky Puppy’s Cory Henry, demonstrating the sonic changes implemented in the Subsequent design: The Subsequent 37 is available now for US $1499. 2004-2021 Synthtopia, All Rights Reserved, Moog Announces Subsequent 37, Discontinues Sub 37, Behringer Intros $699 ARP 2600 'Blue Marvin' & 'Gray Meanie' Knockoffs, Native Instruments Getting New Majority Owner, New Korg modWave Wavetable Synthesizer 'A Synthesis Powerhouse', IK Multimedia Intros UNO Synth Pro Analog Synthesizers, Behringer Confirms Synthi VCS3 Knockoff On The Way, La Voix du Luthier Intros Pyramide Essential Acoustic Resonator, New Music From Plastikman For Prada Fall/Winter 2021, Kurzweil K2700 Synthesizer Workstation An Evolutionary Leap For V.A.S.T. Also, you could have just updated the firmware to allow for the extra headroom. Improved keybed is welcome. I love Dreadbox, so I may just wait. I’m pretty bitter, it feels like they’re saying “we fucked up” with the sub 37. I’m not sure what to think about this. I’m holding out for the Consequent 37. Don’t care what they say – ain’t no minimoog…. In a few year we may see the MiniMoog (SMD version) back as the standard….. Bought a Voyager RME new for $1799 a few years back. One comes with CV as standard (not limited to 2000 only) & will integrate with modular systems, the other does microtonal scales. You made a series of good points until the final paragraph. As its name suggests, this new instrument shares a lineage with Moog’s Subsequent 37 and its predecessor the Sub 37, although its closest relative is 2013’s Sub Phatty, which it replaces in Moog’s line-up.. The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the award-winning design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. Hard to believe it costs that much. Listened to comparison videos. The Sub-37 has many advanced features that were simply not possible or practical to incorporate in the original D at the time. With the leftover cash, I’m deciding between the Behringer D or waiting out for the Dreadbox Medusa. Wasnt about limited numbers sold, it was about a limited sound. The Memorymoog was impressive, but it came and went, while the monophonics roll on. (Moog take a look at Clavia and see how easy it is). Amen. (owners of the original Waldorf Q know what I’m talking about. How could the development cost come even close to a number like that. I bought one and it sounds really great although i feel you if your bummed out about still having a tribute edition and wanting this. Remakes, and improvements on 2 synths I already bought (sub phatty, then sub 37). Seems like more for your money. Im gonna go for it Ps dis they update the mixer headroom to be able to handle a 3 or 5 voice expander? For all those existing Sub 37 owners out there looking wistfully at the newer Subsequent 37 ( read our review of the CV version ) Moog Music have a solution for you. Why would they need to “upgrade” the Sub 37? All of these “sound” the same to me – see if you don’t think so. I dont know why moog stoped getting creativ, they are just re releasing the same porduct, and showing people that bought the sub37 that it wasnt that good. Haven’t heard much since its premiere at Superbooth . “…a replacement for the company’s discontinued Minimoog line.”. Here’s what Moog has to say about the Subsequent 37: The SUBSEQUENT 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer with double the mixer headroom of the Sub 37. They didn’t stop working just because the Subsequent 37 press release and YouTube video hit the ‘net, and they’ll keep on working for years. That’s the same path Keith Emerson and Cory Booker took. The Subsequent 37 features the circuit design updates to the Sub 37 that were introduced with its big brother, but not the CV connectivity. . Consider 2 analog monosynths that are much more accessible than a Moog- the Minibrute & Monologue. This is actually a terrific match If i may say So. Mine sold quickly on CL. so thats what Moog meant by “Limited Edition” for my Sub37 when i brought it. No, 2 oscillators and one sub oscillator. Of course thats because of the more driven sound of the Sub 37, which is why the sound can get more homogen at some points. Example of what they could have said : “More headroom in the mixer gives the new model a cleaner, fatter sound while the former model retains its raw, aggressive sound, giving the two synths different flavors”. It has lot of modern sounds and it is great for electronic music, hip hop, etc. In short: I’m confidant that Moog is building the best synthesizers they can. ), IIRC the Minitaur was a new architecture which begat the Sub Phatty which begat the Sub 37. Moog Subsequent 37. Learning to use it has been exciting. I’ve bought synths before but I never realised how much I needed this synth in my life. Dave Smith is a great example of a company that diversifies its product line quite a bit and frequently. It’s shocking but true. So the “limitations” are lifted with this new version. But hey! Novem, TimS is well aware. See more ideas about Moog, Synthesizer, Submarine. I agree completely tho pity they didn’t get this SIMPLE AMPLITUDE OPTIMIZATION right on ANY of the previous models…. The wood trim finishes off the overall premium look and feel. 2 osc and a sub isn’t quite the same thing but it’ll get you by in many cases. What they really need to focus on is the Vouyger line. The Subsequent 37 The Moog Subsequent 37 CV has been a huge hit at Sweetwater. The Moog Sub 37 is a monophonic analog synthesizer manufactured by Moog Music from 2014. Adding CV interconnectivity was the starting point,” says Moog Chief Engineer Cyril Lance, … Web site designed & maintained by PB Associates & SOS. If they were a megacorp, sure–but they’re a small company and they don’t do things by halves. ), they have to train support people on how it works so they can assist people who call customer service … and I’m probably leaving a lot of stuff out. Moog’s engineering team is small and cannot afford the R&D expense of designing completely new instruments every 12 or 18 months (just for the sake of having something new). This provides access to a new range of classic clean tones in both mono and duo performance modes. So a 3 osc synth from them is quite tempting. Sourcing old parts must have taken some time though. If you've got a Moog Music Sub 37 synthesizer but are suffering from GAS now the new Subsequent 37 is available you can now upgrade your instrument. Things get oddly muddy and undermine the point. So, this new synth has three oscillators? this is the first one of the phatty line I would consider buying actually. Proud owner of their Nyx, Erebus, and Hades synths. 5 osc multi filter modulatable heaven. Being a snob means you’ll miss out on some great synths that lots of other people own. Sadly, the biz/mgmt side of things occasionally has to make unpopular business decisions about products that aren’t selling well. The next generation that replaces this will have only one VCO. Very digital. Just to clarify, seeing as so many people seem to be mentioning it, the “replacement to the discontinued Minimoog” sentence in the article was added by Synthopia and is not mentioned anywhere in the press release from Moog. Unlike Apple – who spend a gawdawful amount of money on advertising and promotion – Moog has its name and its reputation for innovation and high quality. Using an Audio Precision analyzer and an oscilloscope, Cyril Lance compares the audio outputs of both the original Sub 37 and Subsequent 37. The big sellers are cheap synths for noobs, that’s why you get so many people complaining about price, every time a new synth gets introduced. Such a shame all the new work goes to re-newed synthesizers and the older ones will not get any attention any more. I’m really quite upset. That video is effectively a demonstration on what is shitty about their previous synths. circuitry. Bending sonically explains chance the way Suminagashi and dye migration explain visually. I think this could be treated towards live players looking for a good quality mono synth. The award-winning Sub 37 Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer has been discontinued from production to make way for Moog Music’s new standard: the Subsequent 37. Progress is good. I agree, it does feel like Moog are now admitting that the Sub 37 wasn’t as well designed as they originally thought. Also the update proces is incredible weird. I think a S37 firmware update sounds about right right now. Honestly, people should simply be aware that when you buy the 1st generation of something – a synthesizer, a car, a television, etc – there’s going to be a 2nd generation, maybe even a 3rd or 4th or 5th – that is going to be somehow ‘better’. A company doesn’t owe you anything because they introduce a new model. Moog should have kept it at $1499 with C/V I/O without those aesthetics. If they offered some sort of an upgrade path for current Sub 37 owners I would be more accepting of these improvements. Moog could pull off their own high-end DeepMind 12 thing, but what for? And if you can make like Rick Wakeman, you might even walk out of there alive. . Pros: - It … Confused? It does sound good though. Slow, careful iteration; well-respected and relatively bug-free products. I wish to see something cool from moog again. Synthesis, Korg Drumlogue Drum Machine (Sneak Preview). The Subsequent 37 features the circuit design updates to the Sub 37 that were introduced with its big brother, but not the CV connectivity. Its control panel is home to 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound-design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. such clipping, so wow, much aggressive (; Depending on what Mandela Effect Multiverse your in you might want to consider hoping on eBay and grabbing a Moog Antecedent 37 while thery’e still “reasonably” affordable. Comparing numbers like that sounds like something the pointy-haired boss from Dilbert would do. Great care has been taken to ensure accuracy in the preparation of this article but neither Sound On Sound Limited nor the publishers can be held responsible for its contents. And hey – sometimes businesses screw up and you’re *glad* you’ve got a first gen. Also note: because Moog are who they are, they (like Ferrari)(correctly) understand that they have an obligation to maintain the reputation of their name and to promote the industry that they are a part of. I’m sure they spend some money on ads – but I strongly suspect that most of their sales rests on their reputation, and, importantly, that their reputation isn’t just a lot of hype. The Subsequent 37® is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the award-winning design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. I think the thing that frustrates people about Moog is that a lot of people want a new polymoog – but it may not be commercially viable for them to create a modern polyphonic analog, to Moog’s level of build quality. I think they are very well run, their product roadmap is done several years ahead of time and is very specific. In fact they’ll keep releasing mono’s as long as they can remain profitable before they introduce a true poly. With the Subsequent you have the impression, the two OSC are more separated. I’m not an ad guy, but I’d bet that “Moog” is up there with “Coke” in terms of ‘universal recognition’ or whatever ad people call it. Oh, now I see, the price is the new standard.. De sebsequent 37 with a Behringer minimoog in the external in Midi connected though the 5 pin. Perhaps it’s just me, but this synth is…difficult. Look at Studio Electronics.. Where are presets stored on my computer? In any case, some people might even prefer the sound of the Sub37, just like some people still swear by the Virus B, instead of the TI… grit can be good. I don’t get the sarcasm and brutal comments that are so common on this site. All rights reserved. This is achieved by the use of steel and aluminum materials for its chassis. The Sub Phatty ultimately fathered the Sub 37, which gave way to the Subsequent 37 (see the 'Sub Vs Subsequent' box), which has now sired the Subsequent 25. its developed into a great synth and it is now the mono synth to beat. The Sub-37 does many things the D simply can't, but where they overlap, the D wins hands down in my opinion. They were all hand built – hence the price I recon. This provides access to a new range of classic clean tones in both mono and duo performance modes. In addition to the sound engine augmentation, each Subsequent 37 comes with an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier strong enough to drive the most demanding headphones, and a software plugin/editor for both Windows and Mac platforms. This piecemeal incremental adjustments and improvements by Moog is perplexing. Core Sonic Territory - Oscillators and Filters: All three of these synths have you covered for searing analog leads, basses and plucks. Not until I played one next to a Mini did I find anything not to like. Maybe you should look also to the Dominion Club when it well be available? The award-winning Sub 37 Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer has been discontinued from production to make way for Moog Music’s new standard: the Subsequent 37. $300 for some C/V I/O. . As they say “you won’t be able to tell in the mix”. I like the clean sounds! However, the Sub 25 may be better seen as a successor to the Sub Phatty. I don’t work for Moog, but I strongly suspect that their business model Is something like that of a European sports car manufacturer. I should have got it a long time ago, as it became my favorite piece of gear in the studio in just a few weeks! I’d like to thank moog for justifying the last string of comments I made about them on the minitaur update thread. Upgraded version introduced, Tribute Edition discontinued, https://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/subsequent-37. They seem to be pretty similar in sound but the Sub 37 has a bigger keyboard, it's Paraphonic, has a sequencer, a screen, an arpeggiator, more knobs on the front panel and other additional bells and whistles. Completing the sonic evolution of the SUBSEQUENT 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. Shouldn’t you be happy that manufacturers are developing new products, regardless of whether you agree with their vision or not? Its control panel has 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. Yes, I was totally waiting for them to at least say something positive about the Sub 37! The lengths they go to on the reissues are a little OCD. I bought an opened box Sub 37 and I love it. 3. I’m having much more fun with the SE-02 to be honest. I’m p.o.ed that they make a great synth, and suddenly discontinue it because another synth is being made. All contents copyright © SOS Publications Group and/or its licensors, 1985-2021. The Subsequent 25 is a two-note paraphonic analogue synth paired with a 25-note keyboard, making it the most compact of Moog’s current crop of non-modular synths. However, the sound is the crucial factor and the D sounds rather better to my ears than the Sub-37. Something as “trivial” as adding CV didn’t happen overnight: it had to be designed, reviewed, prototyped, tested (and tested and tested), documented (in different ways and in several different places)(does Moog publish repair documentation to it’s authorized repair centers like auto manufacturers? A Moog is basically a solo voice, like a violin. Even Minimoog expanders with a case , and knobs were at that price range. I also own a Sub 37 and I could care less about this upgrade, it’s negligible at best. Mos lab and Club of the Knobs have been making system clones for years that are just a fraction of the Moog price. I wonder if there is a Sub 37 upgrade path. Before assuming all complaints related to price are by noobs, try rationalising what it is you’re looking at & what they want. B.S. The chordal paradigm doesn’t generally work all that well. To put it another way, Moog have taken many of the improvements made in the Subsequent 37 and put them, largely, back into the Sub Phatty. Let’s not forget the effect that this crap has on the resale value of their previous (mess-ups) synths . In fact the Minimoog isn’t mentioned anywhere in it. There is a fine balance between the designers/developers and the money/mgmt side of the business. Completing the sonic evolution of the Subsequent 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. There’s a good reason for it. Why am I not hearing any audio in "Active Panel" mode? I think of this as a sign of a company that’s struggeling. It’d be awesome to talk to a Moog (or Ferrari) engineer and hear about the ideas and innovations that they simply couldn’t work into this year’s model because of cost/schedule considerations. ahhh. In this video, Grammy Award Winner Cory Henry visits the Moog Factory to put the new Subsequent 37 through its paces, and Moog Music's Chief Engineer compares the audio output from the Sub 37 Tribute Edition and the new Subsequent 37 using an audio precision analyzer and oscilloscope. Sold my Sub 37 and bought a SE-02… no regrets here. But what means “standard” if it changes. I liked the character in the Minitaur more tho it was limited in its own ways. Yeah the Dominion Club is another one I was looking out for. If and when they do stagnate a bit only then will they release a true poly to grow the company to keep it afloat another few decades. Can the Subsequent 37 use the same patches as the Sub 37 Tribute Edition? By selling a lot more units, don’t you suppose? The new standard in preset design. Looks that one will give you a lot of sounds for not that much money. To be completely honest…. 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